For your comparison of 300 nm vs 300 PRC I’m surprised you didn’t use. All of those numbers are using H1000 powder. 30 Nosler vs. 300 Win Mag. But as I tend to like This last fact makes it incompatible with really long-nosed, fine-entry high-BC bullets. It's that time of the year when I want to build a rifle from scratch. Initial factory loads feature two outstanding high-BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets: the Hornady 212-grain ELD-X and 225-grain ELD Match. Reamers need to be speced right, rifles build well, and load development done thoroughly. Otherwise I would 300 Norma vs 300 Winchester vs 300 PRC vs 30 Nosler are all basically the same cartridge. This is essential for consistent long- range performance. Each will average in the center of those listed windows. The 300 Norma is ~103 grains with Lapua brass. Currently ADG is making 30 Nosler brass, but I think PRC will come soon as well. Subscriber Services. Berry's Bullets: Reloading Equipment, Shooting Accessories & Bullet Accuracy Tests, Black Hills Evolution of Rifle Cartridge: .308 Win. Match. ©2020 Outdoor Sportsman Group. That an important factor should be thought about bullet selection. 30 caliber. This particular article intends to highlight the .300 PRC’s advantages when compared directly to each of the currently popular .30-caliber magnums on the market. Would the 300 prc recoil be greater than 28 nosler on a scoped rifle in the 9.5 pound range? Mag. It’s engineered to provide inherent accuracy and to offer ideal performance with heavy, aerodynamic projectiles that shrug off wind and maintain velocity better than common .308-diameter bullets. Hunting in Colorado at 8-9kft my 28 has 2100fps and 2000ft/lbs at 1000yards. Compare these rounds in the charts below. I go over the ballistics and I pick the one I would prefer. Just a year or so ago I wrote that the 30 Nosler was arguably the single best-designed .30-caliber magnum in existence. Heres a target from a customer, 2 seating depths at 600yds. And because the 30 Nosler has a belt-less case, it’s more accurate and makes for easier reloading. However, it’s a bit too much of a good thing. While neither choice will be inexpensive to feed, there is something fun about having the fastest cartridge in its class, and both the .26 Nosler and 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum are in the top tier. Introducing the new 30 Nosler cartridge by popular demand. Between 300 PRC and 28 Nosler, you have to decide imo. 175 Gr. Sub 10lb with optics sporter from a bipod. Lots of recoil and muzzle blast. The result? Mag.’s 25-degree shoulder. The author analyzed six .30 caliber magnum cartridges (.300 H&H Magnum, .300 Winchester Magnum, .300 Weatherby, .300 Remington Ultra Mag., .30 Nosler, and .30-378 Weatherby) for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. 6.5 PRC vs 6.5 Creedmoor As an aside, a Now this one is interesting. You are using an out of date browser. The 28 and 30 Nosler are potentially great rounds. The 30 Nosler eclipses the velocity of the 300 Weatherby, headspaces of the shoulder like a 300 RUM, has an efficient powder column like that of the 300 WSM and its in the same standard length action of a 300 W… 30 Nosler vs 300 PRC. I see no ballistic advantage, which is what we want when building a fast and powerful 30. Although it’s certainly the second-most-popular .30-caliber magnum, this short fatty has two distinct disadvantages when compared to the .300 PRC. However, these rifles require handloading to realize full potential. Second, it too has a short head height, making it incompatible with very long high-BC projectiles. In fact, because it’s got a shorter throat that engages light-ish, short-shanked projectiles faster, the 30 Nosler actually may provide more consistent accuracy with popular deer-weight bullets. Let me know if you shot it with ELD-X bullets. has many outdated design characteristics, starting with the entirely unnecessary belt and including its quite-short neck, which (in theory more than practice) provides a marginal grip on the bullet and can potentially allow concentricity inconsistencies. 300 PRC and .300 Win Mag factory loads generally have similar muzzle velocities, but the 300 PRC shoots a heavier bullet with a higher BC. They all do 30 Caliber Magnum things The only 30 caliber magnum I The … (You’ll find this is a common thread throughout most of the following comparisons.). Unless your different than most your not gonna take a .30 or RUM or 300 out to the range and shot boxes The .300 Blackout is here to stay, and we take some time to look at new technology surrounding this cartridge. Magnum Shotshells - Do We Really Need Them? I ditched the 300 wm years ago, and there's no freaking way guys are matching prc or 30 nos velocities with it … RJ _____ The Real King is the 375 H&H #2 06-28-2019, 03:14 AM JD848 : Join Date: Dec 2011. Performance will be pretty much the same. The 300 PRC has a 30 deg shoulder, the 30 Nosler has a 35 deg shoulder. Designed specifically for ELR (extra long range) use, the .300 PRC is optimized for shooting way, way out there. 300 Win OAL (case head to bullet tip) = … The .300 PRC is designed around a 225- grain bullet that enabled Hornady to keep as much projectile as possible out of the case. by chambering it in true magnum-length actions that allow handloaders to seat long bullets at optimum lengths. The author used the .300 PRC to take this Roland Ward reedbuck in South Africa. Which gun should I take? Yep, it’s spec’d with a plentiful head height, too. My views on the 300 PRC vs the 30 Nosler. You must log in or register to reply here. Let’s start with the most common of them all: the .300 Winchester Magnum. It’s past that where it becomes significant. The 300 prc was made for a guy like you that doesn’t reload and wants to get into the LR game. 300 PRC vs 300 Win Mag 300 PRC and.300 Win Mag factory loads generally have similar muzzle velocities, but the 300 PRC shoots a heavier bullet with a higher BC. The Contestants. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. Currently ADG is making 30 Nosler brass, but I think PRC … If I was getting a .30 caliber long range rig, I would see no reason to look anywhere other than the PRC. The 30 Nosler blows past the highly regarded 300 Winchester Magnum—eclipsing the round in all three testing categories. Norma = 95 gr. Mag., it … Hornady = 97 gr. I would honestly wait until the 7mm PRC comes out or go with the 300 PRC or another 7MM. The nosler hammers for a longggg way. Compare these rounds in the charts below. Barrel life is short, and being aggressively overbore, the RUM can be finicky about accuracy. The first has a BC of .673; the latter an eyebrow-raising .777. Also, the .300 Norma requires a really big action. Ammo factories must load to this standardized maximum, which prevents factory ammo from being loaded with long, super-sleek bullets with the very fine, gradual entry that so benefits extreme-range aerodynamics. Calculations were corrected to standard temperature (59F/15C) and … When it comes to hunting inside 400 yards, the Hornady .300 PRC cartridge does nothing more and nothing less than the passel of already existing .30-caliber magnums. In contrast, the .300 PRC is engineered with the latest cutting-edge cartridge design principles, and features a 1.12-inch head height, enabling the use of very long, low-drag projectiles without intruding inside the case. 175 Gr. Load data as stated by … Today, I have to give that nod to the Each has enough capacity to get the job done. I think the 300 PRC factory ammo is match grade, but the velocity spreads for match grade factory ammo will make it easy to out score with 300WM hand loaded for consistent velocity. 300 PRC vs 300 Win Mag. |   But if you have little interest in shooting past 600 yards, there’s little difference in performance between the two. This one is a bit different, as the goal with the .300 PRC is to be able to maintain case capacity while loading the sleek, long-ogive bullets. Mag. I have Jan 18, 2016 #2 Ryan Avery Admin Staff member Joined Jan 5, 2012 Messages 6,269 I don't think it matters. I want one of the new 30 cal cartridges like the 300 prc or 30 nosler. Finally, it’s throat is reamed very deeply, which allows bullets to get a running jump at the rifling leade and prevents pressure spikes with aggressive loads, but can be detrimental to precise accuracy. It wears the traditional-but-useless belt. The four basic methods of making rifling in a barrel are single-point, broach, button, and... Frank and Tony from Gallery of Guns spice up the Glock test using their non-dominant hands. 30 Nos. Ruger 10/22 Competition Rifle at 300 Yards, Revolver vs. Semiauto Pistol: A Ballistic Oddity, Improved Ballistics a Key to Accurate Long-Range Shooting. Match bullet. It’s got class, panache, and performance in spades, and is actually the oldest veteran in this group. Would I recommend the 300 PRC over the 30 Nosler, no. The new Winchester Active Duty 9mm ammo is loaded to the same military ballistics... Give a Gift   All Rights Reserved. The PRC’s solitary advantage is its longer head height and throat, which play nicer with extremely long, high-BC bullets. Worse, barrel life is short. That equates to about 60-75fps faster for the 28 Nosler… That's amazing. Oct 10, 2007 1,136 773 CEO Team waffle house. Both PRC cartridges are outstanding for wide-open country where wind and distance must be overcome. Tom Beckstrand and Neal Emery of Hornady highlight the 6MM Creedmoor ammo. It’s optimized for use with very long, sleek bullets, and pushes them significantly faster than the PRC does. David Fortier talks with Jeff Hoffman of Black Hills Ammunition about the evolution of the .308 Win. 30 Nosler, 300 WM, 300 RUM Pros and Cons of each and why one over the other? Mag. I think I'll wait I have built 2 300 PRCs, both shooting amazingly well, my latest is a Kimber Montana donor with a 26" 1-9.5 twist #4 fluted Benchmark, two days ago with Factory Hornady 225gr ELD-M bullets I shot at 500, 650 and 820 yards, I shot a 2.5" group at 820 yards, this cartridge is amazing, funny thing I was hunting with my gunsmith that builds my rifles this last week and we took an afternoon off to do some shooting, he did the spotting on steel at those ranges and he was very impressed. Bullet Cost - Why is this so much a wild hair. Therefore, 300 PRC has a slightly flatter trajectory, a little more retained energy, less wind drift, and somewhat more recoil than the … That’s approaching the coefficient of legendary .338 Lapua bullets, and it’s worth noting that the .300 PRC was in part conceived as a potential replacement for extreme-range sniper work; one that offers much friendlier recoil and muzzle blast. 30 Noslers shoot. Either AB, BC, AC, or all three together. As a matter of mirror-image fact, the two cases are extremely similar. The PRC has 1950fps and 1200ft/lbs at 1000yds. It may not display this or other websites correctly. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. benchmstr Sergeant. Reply Just https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/30-nosler-or-300-prc.212410/. Why not just shoot a slightly slower cartridge that pushes heavy, sleek bullets optimized for long range, and which provides less recoil and more performance way out there? … If you already have a 28 Nosler, 6.5 CM and will now have a 300 WSM or 6.5 PRC, how in the hell are you going to decide which one to take? Powders include Its biggest disadvantage is a quite short 0.72-inch “head height,” which is the distance between the front of the case mouth and the cartridge’s SAAMI maximum overall length. Jan 2, 2020 #2 I would honestly wait until the 7mm PRC comes out or go with the 300 PRC or another 7MM. Mag. DO NOT buy the hype that the .30 is just another 300WM ( which I also own and hunted for years with). Plus, it kicks like a demoniac mule, and requires a full-magnum-length action even though it has a short head height. It is, and the ready availability of a vast spectrum of various loads and rifles makes gives it outstanding versatility. ELR guys like to shoot, so poor barrel life is a significant problem. They are all firing heavy 30 caliber bullets around the 3000fps mark. Now I am waffling between the … For me, I went 30 Nosler because of potential for bear in Alaska. I just don't see the benefit in me grabbing another when there are more interesting things on my "list". Although I love it, in pure technical terms I’m forced to admit the .300 Win. It’s too much cartridge to fit inside most standard-size magnum bolt guns, and even if shoehorned in, you can only squeeze a couple of cartridges into the magazine. Thanks! The 300 prc will do the same. Today, I have to give that nod to the .300 PRC. Magnum shotshells give shooters more of what they don't need, including more recoil, more... Berry's product line is extensive; in addition to making over 60 types of bullets, the firm... HSM Ammunition has just released another new 6.5 Creedmoor loading. Thanks in advance for input . It’s a necked-down .338 Lapua, and although it blasts those bullets out with wicked speed, the cavernous capacity of that gargantuan case is too much of a good thing. You can read more about the deep details of the cartridge, it’s concept and design, and it’s performance in the March issue of Shooting Times magazine. In my opinion Berger bullets are better target bullets than hunting bullets. Since you are reloading, I think the ballistics are what would be important to you. I want to build a 300 PRC, but I'm just covered up in 30 caliber magnums currently. The 30 Nosler blows past the highly regarded 300 Winchester Magnum—eclipsing the round in all three testing categories. Note how the 300 PRC (red line) is in-between the 338 Lapua (green line) and the 300 Norma (blue line) in performance (and is slightly closer to the 300 Norma). The 300 prc you are stuck with other magnums with similar ballistics. The .300 PRC’s case is the same diameter as the .300 Win. Therefore, 300 PRC has a slightly flatter trajectory, a little more retained energy, less wind drift, and somewhat more recoil than the 300 … Reamers need to be speced right, rifles build well, and load development done thoroughly. Let’s compare the two, in order to gauge how the .300 PRC will stack up against the best-known .300 Magnum. Mag.’s belt, and the .300 PRC has less taper and a 30-degree shoulder as opposed to the .300 Win. .300 PRC reloading data with 102 loads. No way in hell would I ever pay what they are asking for 28 nosler brass. The 28 and 30 Nosler are potentially great rounds. They are all worthy.-Dan Want the absolute best performance? I have found the Barnes LRX, TTXXX, the Nosler LR Accubonds are better choices for hunting. However, like the .300 Win. Hornady .300 PRC (left) and 30 Nosler 30 Nosler vs. Hornady .300 PRC Just a year or so ago I wrote that the 30 Nosler was arguably the single best-designed .30-caliber magnum in existence. Whats more American than apple pie and baseball? First, it tends to be finicky to feed, because short fat cartridges must tilt up from the magazine and transition into the chamber at much more abrupt angles than longer cartridges. Minuteman. Brass life for the .26 Nosler should be longer than that of the 6.5-300, as the Nosler design lacks the belt of brass, and the case stretching and thinning associated with it. The 300 PRC is going to push a 215 Berger between 2950 and 3050 most of the time. The 30 Nosler is going to push a 215 Berger 3000-3100 fps most of the time. 300 PRC: Bertram = 89 gr. In this video I compare the new 30 caliber magnums by Nosler and Hornady. out of an unbelted case, and fits into .30-’06 Sprg.-length actions. However, I’m constrained to confess the fact that I have absolutely no use for bullets lighter than 180 grains in any 30-caliber magnum. Neck Length =.293″ With a 215 Berger seated with bottom of bullet bearing surface at bottom of case neck. Originally designed for hunting. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. The same bullets the graph is misleading. Using bullets from Swift Scirocco, Sierra Tipped MatchKing, Barnes LRX BT, Nosler E-Tip, Nosler AccBond Long Range, Swift A-Frame, Hornady ELD-X, Berger Tactical. Originally designed for hunting. 300 Win Mag: Nosler = 95 gr. A .375 Ruger necked down to .30 caliber, and spec’d with a very long throat so long, sleek bullets don’t have to be seated with their bases deeply protruding into powder capacity, the .300 PRC requires a long, true-magnum-length magazine box of 3.70 inches. is not a superb hunting cartridge. If I was looking for long range rig, the decision for me would be between the .28 Nosler and the .300 PRC. JavaScript is disabled. H2O to the top of the case mouth. and instead recommends the 30-28 nosler, 300 norma and improved, and 300 PRC stating that each has 75% less throat erosion than the 28 nosler and with essentially identical ballistics. Not that the concept of a magnum-class .30-caliber is new or unique; in fact, we have over a dozen .30-caliber magnums on the market before Hornady announced the release of the .300 PRC, or Precision Rifle Cartridge. Mag., it’s got some pretty outdated design characteristics. All Shooting Times subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. The 30 Nosler cartridge delivers better ballistics than the .300 Win. Gun Parts - Stocks, Barrels, Actions, etc. In many ways, it does what the .300 PRC does, and does it even better. If I paid anywhere near that I would still be happily shooting a 7 SAUM. The 30 Nosler is ADG at ~102 grains H20. PX Member. The .300 PRC is based on the beltless .375 Ruger, itself a sound design. The .300 PRC is the only .30- caliber If it's that they are cool or new or different that's cool. I go over the ballistics and I pick the one I would prefer. Sharing the same parent case as the 26 and 28 Nosler cartridges, the 30 Nosler takes all the best attributes of currently available 30 magnums and combines them all in one cartridge. Load data as stated by Hornady for 300 PRC with 212 ELDX = BC .673 with 2860 fps. That an important factor should be thought about bullet selection. Get the 300 Norma or one of the rounds that outperforms it. It’s got a fair amount of case taper. All things considered, the .300 PRC is a much more polite, civilized cartridge that is durned near as capable and offers far greater efficiency. The necks are virtually the same length. In my opinion Berger bullets are better target bullets than hunting bullets. It’s not efficient at all, meaning it burns copious quantities of propellant. So even though the .300 PRC case is slightly shorter at 2.58 inches than the Win. I don't want to start a war here, but would like to learn. To be fair, the .300 WSM does offer one advantage over the new PRC kid on the block: If you want a very short, light .30-caliber magnum rifle, this is your best bet. What is the advantages of the 300 PCR or 30 Nosler over the 300 Winchester, 300 Weatherby, or RUM? Both have their place. Reloading the 28 is also not inexpensive. This beast provides more initial velocity than any of the previous cartridges discussed, and has proven to be an outstanding elk cartridge. As an aside, custom rifle makers have been circumventing the head-height issue with the .300 Win. To date, I’ve effectively shot the .300 PRC from 40 yards, at which I walloped a giant of a free-range Nyala while hunting with Crusader Safaris, out to 1844 yards, at which distance I peppered a 1 by 1.5 MOA rock with gratifying regularity. So why all the LOVE for the 300 PRC when the 30 Nosler has being here for years ? I went with the 30 Nosler, it'll be throated for 245s If I can get 2900 with H1000 I'll be pumped. In this video I compare the new 30 caliber magnums by Nosler and Hornady. And because the 30 Nosler has a belt-less case, it’s more accurate and makes for easier reloading. Could you please share some details on your barrel and powder used. The 300 PRC has a better setup for longer bullets and takes advantage of longer free bore. It hurts a bit to write this particular comparison, because I’m really partial to the .300 WBY. The other advantage of the 300 Norma is the ability to switch barrel with the 338lm if you wanted. 30 Nosler: Nosler = 99 gr. I'm looking for a pic or pics comparing the .300WM, .300 PRC, and the .300 NM. And although it’s got a nice long neck that benefits concentricity, it’s got a short head height, making it less-compatible with ultra-modern long-range projectiles. I have a Nosler 30. That being said give me a 30 nos throated The 230 Atips are the best I've tried for consistent BC and holding vertical deep into transonic speeds. That’s not to say that the .300 Win. Finished rifles will be around 0.75 inch shorter in the action, and barrels can be a short 22 inches and still provide full propellant burn. I’d rather have the better long-range capability provided by 200-plus-grain projectiles, so at least for me that’s a moot point. It does all this in a smaller and lighter recoiling package. Case diameter is the same. The new Bushnell FORGE riflescope is “the only choice for long-range hunting enthusiasts.”. The 300 prc will do the same. Next, we pit subsonic rivals against each other before stretching the legs of this CQB round out to 600 yards from a short 9-inch barrel. The 28 Nosler has about 7-8% more case capacity over a 7-300 PRC. That equates to about 60-75fps faster for the 28 Nosler. The 300 PRC is Hornady and holds ~97 grains of H20. Where this cartridge goes wrong is in the size of the case. I have this problem all the time.